I am yes on prop 8 and I was in the middle and through much research have changed to YES on prop 8…
I think you may change your mind after reading this…
Are you YES or NO on prop 8?
What do you think of my arguments?
(Not mine, quoted from websites)
YES ON PROP 8
Marriage is a side product of a right that we do indeed enjoy which is religious freedom; marriage being a religious institution. However it, in itself, is not a right.
No one has the right to marry whomever he wants. Gays can already get marriage licenses on exactly the same terms as anyone else. Everyone is equally barred from marrying another person who is under a certain age, or too closely related, or of the same gender, or already married to another. Sound reasons underlie all these requirements, which apply equally to everyone, male and female. Gays can already get marriage licenses on exactly the same terms as anyone else. Homosexuals are seeking a special right. They already have the same right to marry the rest of us have-the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. Limiting marriage to one man and one woman doesn’t discriminate on the basis of sex or sexual orientation. Gays already have the liberty to live their lives as they choose, set up housekeeping, share income and expenses, make contracts and wills, and transfer property. What they are now demanding is respect and social standing for a lifestyle that others believe is immoral (like mixed-gender cohabiting).
Proposition 8 is about preserving marriage; it’s not an attack on the gay lifestyle. Proposition 8 doesn’t take away any rights or benefits of gay or lesbian domestic partnerships. Under California law, “domestic partners shall have the same rights, protections, and benefits” as married spouses. (Family Code § 297.5.) There are NO exceptions. Proposition 8 WILL NOT change this.
The narrow decision of the California Supreme Court isn’t just about “live and let live.” State law may require teachers to instruct children as young as kindergarteners about marriage. (Education Code § 51890.) If the gay marriage ruling is not overturned, TEACHERS COULD BE REQUIRED to teach young children there is no difference between gay marriage and traditional marriage.
http://www.protectmarriage.com/
http://www.thelandofthefree.net/youdonthavearighttomarry.html
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art29110.asp
Isn’t it still a religious institution because its preformed by a church not a city hall? (lol)
Irish Boi – Pursuit of happiness? Isnt being with each other enough? It’s not like california is banning gay people from being gay.
Scott H – As I said, we all have the same rights under the law. Re-read my original post. Marriage isnt a right, its a privlege.
Winnie – I agree, its a side affect of current laws.
Gen. Stiggo – It is a religious institution, but it is also a legal thing. Many people (like gays) mostly see it as a contract. Ex: “Marriage is just a contract”.
“As there are a plethora of legal rights attached to marriage, gays and lesbians are simply asking for the same right everyone else has, to marry who they want to.”
WRONG RE READ MY POST:
No one has the right to marry whomever he wants. Gays can already get marriage licenses on exactly the same terms as anyone else. Everyone is equally barred from marrying another person who is under a certain age, or too closely related, or of the same gender, or already married to another. Sound reasons underlie all these requir
Sound reasons underlie all these requirements, which apply equally to everyone, male and female. Gays can already get marriage licenses on exactly the same terms as anyone else. Homosexuals are seeking a special right. They already have the same right to marry the rest of us have-the right to marry a person of the opposite sex. Limiting marriage to one man and one woman doesn’t discriminate on the basis of sex or sexual orientation. Gays already have the liberty to live their lives as they choose, set up housekeeping, share income and expenses, make contracts and wills, and transfer property. What they are now demanding is respect and social standing for a lifestyle that others believe is immoral (like mixed-gender cohabiting).
Democrat – “BY denying them the right to Marry then you are saying that they are not equal to you.”
WRONG: Its not a right. Its a privlege. What other rights come with benefits. Even if it was a “right”. Gay or not, you cant marry who you want. I cant marry my
I cant marry my sister. Neither can gay marry their “sister”.
You all need to read my FULL post. MARRIAGE IS NOT A RIGHT.
Colin F – The only rights they don’t get from a marriage are the federal marriage ones. Well that isn’t California’s problem. That a US problem and if you want the same rights you should make that a US law. They receive the same “economic” and all other rights under the California law.
I am voting YES on prop 8
Marriage ceased to be a religious institution as soon as the state and fed stuck their noses in and started treating married and parental tax filers differently from single, non parental tax filers. Now it is a government institution, one that should not be denied just because you don’t like what two men do in their bedroom alone.
Morals are subjective, not objective. You cannot claim something is moral or immoral to anyone except for yourself. Furthermore you cannot show any way shape or form in which two men or two women engaged in sexual activity in the privacy of their own home has any affect on the morality of the life you choose to live.
Wait… so the text “limiting marriage to a man and a woman” doesn’t exclude marriage between a man and a man? I’m pretty sure that’s what “Limit” means. It means no further than between a man and a woman.
If there is no difference between domestic partnership and marriage, then why are you fighting so hard against lumping them into one term? As I recall, the US tried the whole “separate but equal” thing with blacks and whites. Didn’t work out so well. How can you say that gays and straights are going to work out any differently?
Furthermore, teachers are not, and have never been required to teach about marriage. The gay population isn’t going anywhere, it would behoove your children to learn about it. And when I say “learn about it” I don’t mean you telling them “They’re fags and they’re going to hell.” I mean a state sanctioned instructor telling them that certain people choose to commit their lives to a member of the same sex and that such love is no less than the love between people who choose to commit their lives to the opposite sex.
Simply put, Prop 8 puts a marriage segregation into effect. Segregation hasn’t worked in the past, it won’t work in the future and it is just a matter of time before the old traditionalists start to die off and social progress is made towards equal rights for everyone regardless of sexual orientation.
EDIT: In response to your “lol” edit, I’m an ordained minister and have seen marriages performed on beaches, in backyards and even public parks miles away from any church. You are so narrow minded that you can’t even accept that there are people who practice their lives independent of religion. There are such people and you have no right to tell them, tell us, that we can’t live our lives how we choose.
EDIT2: Yep, go ahead and respond to all of the answers except for me, the guy who decimated your argument. Figures.
because all men are created equal and should be allowed the pursuit of happiness, reguardless of what gender they marry. love is love. your argument is based on ignorence and hatefulness and does nothing for me. Since when are equal rights considered special rights?
In response to your additional details, I’ve never heard of a church handing out a marriage license. Many non-religious people, or people who follow religions that don’t involve church, still get married. Marriage was around waaay before Christianity or Islam were.
Wait are you saying you want to marry your sister??? I think that’s pretty weird, but honestly that still should be legal too.
Propositon has nothing to do with ‘relegious marriage’ every relegion is free to consider who they want to say is and is not married. Prop 8 is a legal definition of marriage, in that all of us should have the same right s under the law.
I never understand why people think they have the right to run other peoplesl lives, I mean every day I see married couples walking aroud that the thought of people that ugly having sex repulses me, but I do not thing I have the right to make it against the law for them to do what they want.
edit:What do you mean priviledge, privledge is something you earn, how does a man and a woman EARN to be married more than 2 guys or women, and they are actually only asked to be married n the eyes of the law, if you get divorced in the catholic church, and then marry again, the church does not recoginize that marriage, but the second is still a legal marriage in the eyes o fthe law, so if your church or the catholic church does not want to recognize that marriage, well god bless you, but gays marriage should be recognized by the law.
Because the proposition itself DOES NOT require anything be taught in schools and does not force churches to change their beliefs or practices in any way. This is simply the anti-gay spin/scare tactic used to make people reconsider their vote. Looks like it’s working
I think it’s based on religion, with that in mind, all people do not share the same beliefs, this is America, is it the land of the free?
Your fundamental point is flawed. If marriage is based on religion, then it would not be legal or have additional legal rights attached to it.The rest of your points are flawed, as well. As there are a plethora of legal rights attached to marriage, gays and lesbians are simply asking for the same right everyone else has, to marry who they want to. The fact that some people consider their sexual orientation to be immoral is totally irrelevant. They are not hurting anybody, so there is no good moral reason to discriminate against them. Prop 8 doesn’t do anything to preserve marriage, as there is nothing about allowing same-sex marriages that will harm marriage. As the California Supreme Court ruled that people have the right to marry their same-sex partners, then Prop 8 would clearly be taking away that right. And even though there is nothing i the law that would enforce the educational requirements you mention, what would be wrong with teaching children that all Americans are equal?
Stop Being a bigot!
really.
I’m heterosexual and even i can realize that its not about the benefits.
It is about the principal.
BY denying them the right to Marry then you are saying that they are not equal to you.
NO on prop 8
Because there are tax and economic benefits to marriage, it can’t be just a religious issue. By denying homosexual couples the right to marry you are denying them the right to receive those economic benefits. This would definitely be discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation.
YES ON PROP 8
http://www.protectmarriage.com
I am so sick of all the hate, name calling and nastiness from the “no” group! This is about the definition of marriage, period! There is no constitutional “right” to marry. They may say that a 1967 case proves there is a right to marry but that’s no true. That case is about marriage in relationship to race – apples & oranges!
Gays have rights. Let them have civil unions/domestic partnerships. No gay marriage!
I will vote YES! I really don’t understand how we are considered “hateful” when it’s the “no on 8″ group that are vandalizing signs and yelling at us. What happened to tolerance with different viewpoints?